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How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Socceroo » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:56 pm

We have been playing youth soccer for several years, and is is clear there are some clubs that ignore the age rules, and make up birth dates.

How can STYSA or WDDOA do a better job of stopping this obvious cheating? It is bizarre to be playing a U13 match and seeing kids drive up on their own and play on that team.

How, can we as a soccer community stop this blatant cheating?

Is there some way to gauge true age? Can we cut the kids open and count the growth rings? ;)

How can we be more diligent about this rule and why would parents allow it, if you are beating up on a team that is 2 or 3 years younger and you have 3 or 4 kids that are much older, what does that accomplish? We have to stop this - before someone gets hurt.

Guest

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:46 pm

Socceroo wrote:We have been playing youth soccer for several years, and is is clear there are some clubs that ignore the age rules, and make up birth dates.

How can STYSA or WDDOA do a better job of stopping this obvious cheating? It is bizarre to be playing a U13 match and seeing kids drive up on their own and play on that team.

How, can we as a soccer community stop this blatant cheating?

Is there some way to gauge true age? Can we cut the kids open and count the growth rings? ;)

How can we be more diligent about this rule and why would parents allow it, if you are beating up on a team that is 2 or 3 years younger and you have 3 or 4 kids that are much older, what does that accomplish? We have to stop this - before someone gets hurt.
Driving themselves to games...

if you want to help solve the problem them maybe hyperbole is not the best starting place.

Are you also in favor of banning kids from playing up? because that U11 playing against U13 players is at the same risk for injury right?

Let's get back to your question. Have your club ask STYSA/WDDOA to verify the birth certificate of the kid(s) in question.

Trythis

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Trythis » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:10 pm

Guest wrote:
Let's get back to your question. Have your club ask STYSA/WDDOA to verify the birth certificate of the kid(s) in question.
Unless they are using their younger brothers birth certificate - is there a way to get a copy of their year book and verify? It is really obvious that some teams have kids that are NOT the right age.

Playing up is fine - no one is complaining about that, but when you have kids going up against players that are 6 feet tall, and are completely filled out, when allegedly their 13th birthday was last month, it is slightly suspicious.

Guest

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:12 pm

Socceroo wrote:We have been playing youth soccer for several years, and is is clear there are some clubs that ignore the age rules, and make up birth dates.

How can STYSA or WDDOA do a better job of stopping this obvious cheating? It is bizarre to be playing a U13 match and seeing kids drive up on their own and play on that team.

How, can we as a soccer community stop this blatant cheating?

Is there some way to gauge true age? Can we cut the kids open and count the growth rings? ;)

How can we be more diligent about this rule and why would parents allow it, if you are beating up on a team that is 2 or 3 years younger and you have 3 or 4 kids that are much older, what does that accomplish? We have to stop this - before someone gets hurt.

It is frustrating. At 13, it is typical to see about one foot difference in height from the shortest to tallest player. Not a big deal. However, it is the small clubs that will typically walk out the tall kids who are both tall and filled out. Most kids that age don't have that muscle mass (or actual facial hair - not fuzz). Unfortunately, I've just kind accepted this when we play certain teams.

Ref

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Ref » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:14 pm

At the beginning of the game, the referees meet with each team and review the player cards. If you suspect that someone is not the correct age, that is the time to ask for their player card. Either the coach or the team manager can do so.

If you don't catch it then, then at the end of the game, you can refuse to sign the game card and note that you believe that there was an overage player on the field.

Be prepared to back up your claim though.

Take a picture of him driving up or shaving or whatever else you think is happening that would prove your suspicions.

Lastly just know that between u12 and u14 these boys will grow A LOT and some will grow a lot earlier than others.

doublefactor

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by doublefactor » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:16 pm

We could get double factor authentication - where not only do you need a birth certificate, but a school ID? I mean some of these alleged 12 and 13 year old boys are clearly NOT 12 or 13, facial hair, muscle mass etc, sure there are the occasional outliers that are tall, but their bodies are not usually well developed.

How can you prove it? We played two teams this year that looked to most of us that were playing kids way older than they should - I guess we could call the WDDOA and protest, but all anyone would have to do is produce a Birth Cert, and today, anyone with photoshop can do that.

Dunno

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Dunno » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:19 pm

Ref wrote:At the beginning of the game, the referees meet with each team and review the player cards. If you suspect that someone is not the correct age, that is the time to ask for their player card. Either the coach or the team manager can do so.

If you don't catch it then, then at the end of the game, you can refuse to sign the game card and note that you believe that there was an overage player on the field.

Be prepared to back up your claim though.

Take a picture of him driving up or shaving or whatever else you think is happening that would prove your suspicions.

Lastly just know that between u12 and u14 these boys will grow A LOT and some will grow a lot earlier than others.
See this doesn't work, because what happens is that they take pictures from like 20 feet away and the Refs RARELY look hard at the player cards. Most parents can tell when kids are too old, it is one thing to be tall for your age, it is an entirely different thing to see muscle mass developed - unless you are Lebron James this is highly unusual.

guesta

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by guesta » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:13 pm

I know this happened for a fact because my kids played and there were a lot of instances where team were blatant and tried to use kids in place of kids named on the roster. I was helping our team manager out and some large 'older' kids from MSK showed up late. We interviewed each kid and they did not even know their own birth dates and the ones that did could not sign the signature as it was on the card. These are easy to take care of when you are playing at home, but when you have a road game against East Austin teams the refs don't want to see it your way. I am sure that I will be called a racist so be it, but the hispanic teams are notorious for this especially the valley teams. We also caught a team that had cut out the original photo on the roster card and replaced it with a non-rostered players picture. The biggest problem is that the smaller clubs coaches and officials do not have a problem falsifying data nor do they always produce legit birth certificates especially the ones from Mexico. Is it a cultural thing that one must cheat to win at soccer??

Guest

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:23 pm

I think you need to be very careful. There are some really big kids who mature early. You might want to go to some middle school football and basketball games to see the far end of the size and maturity spectrum.

Clubs like LS also play early maturing players up so if you are at LS you are seeing a skewed picture of player pool.

I have a cousin who is a big guy and when he was a kid, he was often heckled by parents from the opposing team. It was awful. He already felt uncomfortable being so big and then angry adults were yelling at him. I'm going to assume that you limit yourself to grousing with team parents on the sideline and making a stink on this board.

Guest

Re: How can we regulate age cheating by clubs?

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:49 pm

It is very possible to be 13 years old and 6 foot tall and have muscle mass. It's called puberty, some boys hit that early and some boys don't.

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