All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

[Only]

Who decided to resurrect a post a made in May 2018?
"Forget wrote: ↑
Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 am
Remember, stysa academy rules force teams to only play rec until all players are u8. If we moved towards Dallas style, we would allow academy aka professional coaching at any age."

It definitely provided an avenue for someone to bash local small clubs.

Nice persecution complex. I didn’t bash small clubs, I only bashed one. Sorry it was yours.

[Guest 12]

Ok who would resurrect a 10 month old post to bash any club? Not sure how asking that question equates to a persecution complex.

[Newhere]

Ok who would resurrect a 10 month old post to bash any club? Not sure how asking that question equates to a persecution complex.

You must be new here.

In any event, the person who resurrected the thread (not me) is not the same person as the one who then bashed on forza (that was me).

[Unclubuckie]

from another poster

How did the new PAYSL tryout format go over? I heard they went away from each coach having a tryout for their own team, to having club wide tryouts. Then the best players would go on the top team, and so on. Did they form any D1 teams?

That is exactly what they did, as I understand it.

Are they also moving away from parent coaches, predictably?

Not quite sure how they will "form" DI teams since those have been pre-qualified listed already. Are they just planning to challenge for DI tournament? Which btw is far different than "forming". That is an important distinction don't you think?

Any one know if they have models like PAYSAL in California ?

[Guest11]

Not new but I do understand agendas, not saying you are right or wrong. Like the majority of others on this forum it appears you do not consistently use the same user name. Can I suggest you do so. It would make it easier to follow your arguments. If everyone did that, it might also lead to more civil interaction on this and other topics of discussion.

[also_guest]

Regarding PAYSL forming D1 teams, any new D1 teams would have to be formed for the Fall season. In the fall, they could place their U11 2009s in D1 Prime if they desire. However, it's a difficult level to commit to for most clubs in the area that aren't Lonestar. It takes a lot of depth of strong players to compete consistently. Without criticizing PAYSL at all, I wouldn't anticipate seeing PAYSL teams in U11 Prime.

[lsa]

The Lonestar academy league is a closed ecosystem administered by Lonestar. PAYSL and Forza cannot place teams there.

Forza will generally play the toughest level of play available for league play and tournaments as part of the development philosophy. Sure, the Lonestar pre-da teams have talent and depth derived from a monstrously huge talent pool, and they are tough to beat. But, you might as well play the best if you want your kid to learn.

By the way, the U11 team is competing well in the Prime bracket, and recent tournament results are very good.

uh, ok. somehow westlake, lake travis elite, georgetown force, round rock sa, and river city rangers teams have found their way into the lonestar "closed ecosystem."

meanwhile, you have TWO teams in U11B Prime. they sit in 10th and 13th place (out of 13), respectively. the LS girls team that just joined U11B Prime a couple weeks ago has already passed the second forza team and sits one point behind the first team in standings FOR THE YEAR, after only playing 2 games. the GD of your two teams are -15 and -50, respectively.

so yeah, definitely playing the best, not sure how to measure "learning" when you are losing every game 10-1. why not just put them up against the Austin Bold while you're at it? maybe they could also "learn" in challenger while only losing by 4, and without wasting everyone else's time?

Most of the “clubs” you listed are LS feeder clubs by contract.

[talentedkids]

PAYSL and T&C have the same problem. They have a good REC base which feed good talented kids to their academy. Those players would dominate the academy because at this age the more talented kids would usually win (they could do it without a coach in the simple 6v6 now 7v7 game). However when the kids start moving up closer to the big game 9v9 to 11v11 where good coaching that can nurture talent matters, those clubs (teams) falter because the coaching is mediocre. This is the absolute truth. Talent alone can get you so far. At some point good coaching that can nurture a group of talented kids become important and you don't get that from daddy ball unless you win the lottery with a daddy that happen to be a good coach. Same as winning the lottery this is very rare.

[Young teams]

PAYSL and T&C have the same problem. They have a good REC base which feed good talented kids to their academy. Those players would dominate the academy because at this age the more talented kids would usually win (they could do it without a coach in the simple 6v6 now 7v7 game). However when the kids start moving up closer to the big game 9v9 to 11v11 where good coaching that can nurture talent matters, those clubs (teams) falter because the coaching is mediocre. This is the absolute truth. Talent alone can get you so far. At some point good coaching that can nurture a group of talented kids become important and you don't get that from daddy ball unless you win the lottery with a daddy that happen to be a good coach. Same as winning the lottery this is very rare.

All there coaches are at least D licensed. Even Lonestar can’t say that on their national program. Doesn’t equate to knowing the game but still helps. The 06,07,08b are strong groups for the future. Think 09b have a team playing up to. 08g look decent, and academy is getting better and better. With the growth of pflugerville their program can only get better.

[talentalone]

PAYSL and T&C have the same problem. They have a good REC base which feed good talented kids to their academy. Those players would dominate the academy because at this age the more talented kids would usually win (they could do it without a coach in the simple 6v6 now 7v7 game). However when the kids start moving up closer to the big game 9v9 to 11v11 where good coaching that can nurture talent matters, those clubs (teams) falter because the coaching is mediocre. This is the absolute truth. Talent alone can get you so far. At some point good coaching that can nurture a group of talented kids become important and you don't get that from daddy ball unless you win the lottery with a daddy that happen to be a good coach. Same as winning the lottery this is very rare.

All there coaches are at least D licensed. Even Lonestar can’t say that on their national program. Doesn’t equate to knowing the game but still helps. The 06,07,08b are strong groups for the future. Think 09b have a team playing up to. 08g look decent, and academy is getting better and better. With the growth of pflugerville their program can only get better.

Up until they get to 11v11 and have to move up to prime where the game is faster and more complicated tactically which require being able to teach tactics. D license can help you coach 9v9 and below and could help you be a alpha or challenger level coach for 11v11. you need to be a C license level coach and above or be mentored by one to learn how to teach tactics to teams playing 11v11 prime and above. It's hard to ask a working dad to take a C license and above due to the time commitment it requires. However it remains a fact that you can only teach what you know. The worst part is when you don't know what you don't know and think you know it all (which is the attitude of a lot of arrogant low level coaches) you end up wasting very good talents by trial and error. By the time you realize that it's already too late for those kids.