All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

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Fields

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Fields » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

How did PAYSL manage to get access to 1849 over other clubs in the area? Texans had to partner with paysl for access to fields for their tournament from what the website said.

Also, paysl got those fields built in less then a year so how come lone star with all their money and connections still have a cow pasture?

Pfclub

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Pfclub » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:54 pm

Fields wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm
How did PAYSL manage to get access to 1849 over other clubs in the area? Texans had to partner with paysl for access to fields for their tournament from what the website said.

Also, paysl got those fields built in less then a year so how come lone star with all their money and connections still have a cow pasture?
Because paysl is a pflugerville club only and it was paid with tax dollars. Texans have other fields and aligned themselves with Hutto. CoPf does not like LSC and since 1849 was paid with tax dollars local clubs benefit.

Consider

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Consider » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:12 pm

Forget wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 am
Remember, stysa academy rules force teams to only play rec until all players are u8. If we moved towards Dallas style, we would allow academy aka professional coaching at any age.

Until then, players are forced to play rec until they are u8.
This is only an issue within the STYSA/CAYSA academy structure.

Consider as a counterexample the Lonestar/Westlake (and sometimes LTE, etc) house run Academy league, which unapologetically features U7 teams and maybe even goes as low as U5?

Whycould

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Whycould » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 pm

Consider wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:12 pm
Forget wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 am
Remember, stysa academy rules force teams to only play rec until all players are u8. If we moved towards Dallas style, we would allow academy aka professional coaching at any age.

Until then, players are forced to play rec until they are u8.
This is only an issue within the STYSA/CAYSA academy structure.

Consider as a counterexample the Lonestar/Westlake (and sometimes LTE, etc) house run Academy league, which unapologetically features U7 teams and maybe even goes as low as U5?
Seems like forZa and PAYSL could put some teams in the lone star academy league at younger ages.

Unless, of course, the first poster was correct and this is really just about beating up mom rec teams.

Seems
Like I read a lot here about how good the first teams are,” you just don’t because they don’t play games,” but when they actually do join a league athe level they claim to be playing at, they lose. See: U11B Prime.

interesting__

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by interesting__ » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 am

The Lonestar academy league is a closed ecosystem administered by Lonestar. PAYSL and Forza cannot place teams there.

Forza will generally play the toughest level of play available for league play and tournaments as part of the development philosophy. Sure, the Lonestar pre-da teams have talent and depth derived from a monstrously huge talent pool, and they are tough to beat. But, you might as well play the best if you want your kid to learn.

By the way, the U11 team is competing well in the Prime bracket, and recent tournament results are very good.

sure

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by sure » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:02 pm

interesting__ wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 am
The Lonestar academy league is a closed ecosystem administered by Lonestar. PAYSL and Forza cannot place teams there.

Forza will generally play the toughest level of play available for league play and tournaments as part of the development philosophy. Sure, the Lonestar pre-da teams have talent and depth derived from a monstrously huge talent pool, and they are tough to beat. But, you might as well play the best if you want your kid to learn.

By the way, the U11 team is competing well in the Prime bracket, and recent tournament results are very good.
uh, ok. somehow westlake, lake travis elite, georgetown force, round rock sa, and river city rangers teams have found their way into the lonestar "closed ecosystem."

meanwhile, you have TWO teams in U11B Prime. they sit in 10th and 13th place (out of 13), respectively. the LS girls team that just joined U11B Prime a couple weeks ago has already passed the second forza team and sits one point behind the first team in standings FOR THE YEAR, after only playing 2 games. the GD of your two teams are -15 and -50, respectively.

so yeah, definitely playing the best, not sure how to measure "learning" when you are losing every game 10-1. why not just put them up against the Austin Bold while you're at it? maybe they could also "learn" in challenger while only losing by 4, and without wasting everyone else's time?

Results

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Results » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:04 pm

sure wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:02 pm
interesting__ wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 am
The Lonestar academy league is a closed ecosystem administered by Lonestar. PAYSL and Forza cannot place teams there.

Forza will generally play the toughest level of play available for league play and tournaments as part of the development philosophy. Sure, the Lonestar pre-da teams have talent and depth derived from a monstrously huge talent pool, and they are tough to beat. But, you might as well play the best if you want your kid to learn.

By the way, the U11 team is competing well in the Prime bracket, and recent tournament results are very good.
uh, ok. somehow westlake, lake travis elite, georgetown force, round rock sa, and river city rangers teams have found their way into the lonestar "closed ecosystem."

meanwhile, you have TWO teams in U11B Prime. they sit in 10th and 13th place (out of 13), respectively. the LS girls team that just joined U11B Prime a couple weeks ago has already passed the second forza team and sits one point behind the first team in standings FOR THE YEAR, after only playing 2 games. the GD of your two teams are -15 and -50, respectively.

so yeah, definitely playing the best, not sure how to measure "learning" when you are losing every game 10-1. why not just put them up against the Austin Bold while you're at it? maybe they could also "learn" in challenger while only losing by 4, and without wasting everyone else's time?

U11 results don’t mean much. Some teams try and possess and some teams play long ball and when keepers are still developing at that level some games aren’t close. It can be a close game and still lose 5-1.

---Wow

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by ---Wow » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:52 pm

It seems you don't have much knowledge of soccer in the area. The lonestar junior academy is a closed in-house system. Most of those clubs you have listed sold out into Lonestar control. This is not a league that independent clubs just go and join. Forza and PAYSL are not invited and not interested in selling out into Lonestar.

The results of the U11 group are just fine. It's a competitive prime team with a good track record in competitive tournaments. The development is there, and the team belongs at this level.

Twoteams

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Twoteams » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:53 pm

---Wow wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:52 pm
It seems you don't have much knowledge of soccer in the area. The lonestar junior academy is a closed in-house system. Most of those clubs you have listed sold out into Lonestar control. This is not a league that independent clubs just go and join. Forza and PAYSL are not invited and not interested in selling out into Lonestar.

The results of the U11 group are just fine. It's a competitive prime team with a good track record in competitive tournaments. The development is there, and the team belongs at this level.
I know enough about local soccer to know that (1) the “rules” that were being quoted to explain why the first academy teams are beating up on PAYSL Rex teams is not really a rule, just an excuse, and (2) the “closed” ecosystem you keep
Talking about adds new teams every year, and (3) not WANTING to join that league is no reason to build an uncompetitive alternative - there are plenty of options, and (4) you keep defending ONe team when there are actually two.

Sure, maybe it makes sense for one fORZA team to be in 10th place. But how you can call a second team that has lost all its games by wide margins “competitive” is beyond me.

At least NB Ajax had the good sense to drop their team down a level.

MEANWHILE, all you have are rationalizations while you subject a dozen kids to fruahimg defeats every weekend for no reason but vanity.

Goood luck holding on to thwmkidsnonn that second team. One thing I bet they are “learning” is which clubs they would rather join.

Guest13

Re: All things PAYSL - Pflugerville

Post by Guest13 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:06 pm

Who decided to resurrect a post a made in May 2018?
"Forget wrote: ↑
Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 am
Remember, stysa academy rules force teams to only play rec until all players are u8. If we moved towards Dallas style, we would allow academy aka professional coaching at any age."

It definitely provided an avenue for someone to bash local small clubs.

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